Give peace a chance – still and more relevant in 2022. How seeking peace can be the foundation of huge shifts in wellness and wellbeing.
An absolutely, appropriately glamorous look at how we produce, why we produce and what could be possible if we all peacefully produced.
A fabulous conversation between Dr. Rachel and Andrew which is made even more amazing because of its very real and very descriptive language. A viewpoint of authenticity and why we all are still hooked onto formulaic plastic frippery.
You will find the birth of the Peaceful Production Company that is dedicated to bringing to the world thought-provoking wisdom much like this podcast episode.
Listen to what is a thoroughly entertaining excursion into putting the world right through integrity and laughter.
Key Insights From This Episode:
- One of the essences of UnBroken is we often waste energy or direct energy the wrong places to try to effect change and try to make things different. – Dr Rachel
- Change happened because my body forced me to change. – Andrew
- I think the most painful part of the process I’ve been on over the last three years was losing control over my body. – Andrew
- When you start to feel unwell and you’re told that there’s very little you can do about feeling that unwell, your identity starts to break down. – Andrew
- Mental health and neurodiversity is so beautifully complex that you can’t just have one little slogan and one little campaign and expect people to go, “oh, great, I understand what I need to do. I just need to open up and talk to people and I’ll be fixed. Why didn’t I do this sooner?” – Andrew
- And the one thing that I know from working with many different people and researching many different people is that often it’s the environment and the influences that have the greatest impact on people. – Dr Rachel
- Rather than attempting to sort out the chaos in your mind, you’re drawn to complete and utter escapism in the form of other people’s misery. – Andrew
- Kindness for me is getting off my arse and doing something that will have a significantly positive impact on someone’s life. – Andrew
- Ruthlessness can be such a powerful tool in taking strides forward in creating a life that you want… a life that’s going to butterfly effect, and that’s going to spill out into other people’s lives and other areas of the world in a positive way. – Andrew
- I’m slightly obsessed with finding as much peace in my daily life as I possibly can, because I think from peace, you make all kinds of incredible discoveries about yourself, but also, you take really healthy, brilliant action. – Andrew
About Our Host
Andrew is an Irish TV producer living in London, who is great craic.
Dr Rachel Taylor
Dr Rachel Taylor is a neuroscientist with decades of experience exploring, discovering and solving everyday challenges faced by many, as well as listening to and telling the stories of people she comes across in her endeavour to show difference is good, trauma is endemic and joy is connection. She started UnBroken as she wanted to highlight that the system is broken not people and uses the UnBroken podcast to share her learnings, honest conversations and words of wisdom with the UnBroken Tribe of listener.
UnBroken is founded upon the belief that the environment in which we were born, grew in, live in, work in, play in and rest in has a huge impact on how well we believe we are and how well we perform. Wellbeing and optimal human performance are not simply about the absence of disease, they are about the ability to live purposefully, intentionally, joyfully and freely.
UnBroken provides a range of supportive online resources including a podcast, blog, apothecary and monthly online membership for people who dare to be different, are open to possibilities and want a different pathway to their own version of success.
Dr Rachel: Hello, everybody. Welcome to the UnBroken Podcast. And I’m very excited today to welcome a really interesting person to give us his wisdom and his overview of life.
Now I’m going to make a confession in that we had recorded this once before, as you know, we’re really eager to have authenticity on The Unbroken Podcast. Unfortunately, our first recording, it didn’t actually record, so we’re going for a take two, but it’s literally weeks since we did the original one.
My guest has been off on sabbatical since then and then gone back into work. I’ve had time of resting and gone back into work. So hopefully this will be as revealing as last time.
So welcome to The Unbroken Podcast. Welcome to the show. How are you, Andrew?
Andrew: I’m very well. Thanks. How are you?
Dr Rachel: I’m doing okay. I’m doing decidedly okay. So, yeah, I cannot complain, which is not very British because the British like to complain about most things.
Andrew: I mean, the Irish love a bit of complaining as well, but I’m all good. I had a lovely little break and now I’m back fighting fit and just holding a lovely glass of green juice, ready to impart some wonderful nuggets of wisdom, shall we say?
Dr Rachel: I was so excited about that. So, as you know, on The Unbroken Podcast, one of the first things that I like to ask people is to give a general overview of who they are for the people listening. What are you known for?
Andrew: I’m known for being an Irish TV producer living in London, whose great craic.
Dr Rachel: I absolutely love that. I also love the fact that you’ve been living in London a while and you still pronounce yourself as an Irish TV producer.
Andrew: Irish comes before everything else. I’ve lived here for ten years and I don’t think I’ve ever had a day go by without someone commenting on my accent or asking me where I’m from or, I don’t know, asking about The Corrs. Am I friends with them?
Dr Rachel: Are you friends with The Corrs? And that reminds me of at times I’ve been to America and it’s like, “Oh, where’d you live?”, “Manchester”, “Do you know such and such a person from the Manchester United football team?” Like, no, the stereotypical viewpoint of when we hear a different accent and hear he must know such and such. He must come from the area. So you must know everybody in the area.
So we’ve heard what you are known for? So what are you not known for?
Andrew: I’m not known for subtlety. I’m not known for being a wall flower. I’m not known for hiding from conversation or debate or I’m not known for blending in.
Dr Rachel: And I think that is admirable. It’s something that I’m not known for as well, especially the blending in.
Andrew: That’s why we get on so well, both fighting desperately for attention, aren’t we?
Dr Rachel: It made me chuckle because I had an in-depth conversation, both with my partner and a friend yesterday, because I keep on getting outraged about certain things. I keep on wasting a lot of energy doing things that really don’t matter in the big picture and the big scheme of things, the grand scheme of things. And I came to a bit of peace with myself in that instead of reacting in the future and responding and wasting energy in writing multiple letters or multiple emails to people who don’t really care, I’m just going to say one thing in my mind. “I’m not like you”, and hopefully that will help my ego just to come to peace with not wasting energy on things that I really can’t control.
I think that’s one of the essences of UnBroken is we often waste energy or direct energy the wrong places to try to effect change and try to make things different.
So what had to happen for you to realise that change needed to happen?
Andrew: As unglamorous as it is I fell ill. So, I can have a very stressful job sometimes. Not all the time, but sometimes. And back in 2018, I had an extremely stressful job. I was doing a show for Netflix, a travel series. And ironically, it was the dream show I had ever worked on in terms of aspirations and what it would do for my CV, and it turned out to be an absolute ball breaker.
And by the time I finished, I had just worn myself down to the bone essentially, and my immune system was depleted. My stress levels were really high and I ended up getting a very common virus, which is a common cold virus, if you will. And it kind of played havoc with my immune system. And I developed an ultraimmune condition, a very rare one which attacked my platelets.
Now since then, I’ve been doing a lot of work, both physical and emotional work to get well. And the autoimmune thing is very firmly in remission. And I’m doing much, much better. But change happened because my body forced me to change.
Dr Rachel: And I think just listening to what you were saying, there seems to be quite a lot of times within that period where there was a lot of pain points, both physical pain and emotional pain, and probably quite a lot of psychological pain as well. So what does pain mean to you?
Andrew: Pain to me means a loss of control. I think the most painful part of the process I’ve been on over the last three years was losing control over my body. So the very nature of autoimmunity is your immune system turns on itself.
Well, if you believe Western medicine, you have no control over that. Of course, there is a lot more research being done in later years or in recent years, rather, that we can have more control over our own bodies and our own immune system. But at the time, I knew nothing about autoimmunity, and I was essentially told there was no cure, and I myself had no control over it.
So for me, the pain came from loss of control and then kind of moving on a bit. The loss of control led to a loss of identity. So I was someone who worked really hard, very dynamic job producing television in central London, lots of events, lots of access to cool places and cool people. And it was just a very full, vibrant life.
And when you start to feel unwell and you’re told that there’s very little you can do about feeling that unwell, your identity starts to break down. And that, for me, was one of the most frightening things to start to unravel, because we put so much energy and elite into who we are and how we operate and what the world sees us as that when that starts to peel away, you’re kind of just left exposed and vulnerable and having to figure out what the hell to do.
Dr Rachel: And I think that quite a lot of people will certainly associate that and will certainly have felt similar, particularly when they have had a life where they were in control of what happened and when where they went, having energy to do everything, because that’s the conditioning that brought us up with.
I know for lots of people I speak to, lots of people I research, lots of people I work with and even friends, colleagues, family. There’s always that sort of belief that everybody else is okay to be unwell and okay to need support. But when it comes to us, it’s really difficult because we should be able to do everything. We should be superhuman. We should be able to fix ourselves. We should be able to literally be dying one day and then next day running a marathon, that is just sort of the belief system that we are conditioned with and brought up with.
Andrew: Yeah. And I think that’s certainly perpetuated through social media, for example, because no one’s put necessarily posting photos or videos or anything online that says, I feel weak, I feel vulnerable, I feel exposed, I feel inadequate, I don’t feel like I’m strong enough to carry on. People don’t post that. People predominantly post I’m beautiful, I’m successful, I can manage every aspect of my life, everything’s going swimmingly, I’m in perfect health, and everything is just brilliant.
So there’s not necessarily a lot of opportunity for people or people aren’t seeing those windows of opportunity to be vulnerable and ask for help, because it’s not sexy, is it? Asking for help isn’t sexy.
Dr Rachel: It’s not. I’m just listening to you now, there are multiple things that are running through my mind because obviously, as a producer of content that gets into quite a lot of people’s homes and people watch it, it’s like, really difficult because there is a need to get that messaging out there, but it’s not a popular message.
Especially when we look at things around awareness raising around mental health, or one of my pet projects and pet peeves is awareness raising about neurodiversity, and it’s like we tend to talk a good talk. But that’s when it stops, there’s no action afterwards. There’s no change in opinion, no change in how people perceive it. It’s still very much the stigma is that there’s a weakness attached to it or there’s something wrong, that I am broken to be in that situation. What would you say about that with your producer head and then sort of look at it from a personal perspective?
Andrew: Yeah. Well, I think a lot of the content out there surrounding mental health or neurodiversity, as you say, there’s lots of little, I call them quick fixes. Like the campaign, “it’s okay not to be okay”. And you’re like, that doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface of what people who aren’t okay are feeling. And, yes, it’s supposed to give people permission to open up and talk to others. But mental health and neurodiversity is so beautifully complex that you can’t just have one little slogan and one little campaign and expect people to go, “oh, great, I understand what I need to do. I just need to open up and talk to people and I’ll be fixed. Why didn’t I do this sooner?” And I think the reason that is that people just want the easy path and they want that quick fix immediately.
The problem with creating really impactful content and be that television series or documentaries or platforms that really help people unpack their emotional health and start to piece it back together. They are really time consuming to create, and they won’t necessarily get funding from the right places. And by funding, I mean enough funding to do it properly, because ultimately, especially with television series, which is my area, the market is saturated.
So just think of all the television channels we have and then put Netflix on top of it and put Amazon Prime on top of it and put YouTube streaming on top of it. It’s just like we are absolutely inundated with content and what content is going to get through, what content is going to pierce the film through to wider audiences. And that’s exciting, gripping, hard hitting, sexy, “Oh my God, I can’t believe I just watched that. That was incredible content.” That’s what people are engaging in.
And that kind of content, like all the biggest series on Netflix that have broken records globally, what have they all got in common? A shit load of money. Loads and loads of money. So it would almost be impossible to make really impactful mental health content on a platform that big, like Netflix or Amazon Prime without the money. And people don’t want to spend the money on it.
So it all comes down to money, which is really boring.
Dr Rachel: It’s not boring because I think it’s really important to point that out because I think that certainly it runs through it all. And nobody actually says that, because arguably there’s a lot of investment in content that, ostensibly you can argue, is somebody in it who has had visible mental health conditions. They’re very vocal about it, but it doesn’t quite hit the mark because it’s not relatable to people.
There’s not been the investment in time, because everybody’s condition is different. You might be okay after talking to somebody but other people, it might not be okay after talking to somebody. And the one thing that I know from working with many different people and researching many different people is that often it’s the environment and the influences that have the greatest impact on people. And I don’t think any program, any content, has ever considered that it’s always about the individual and the pain that they feel, nothing about where they’re situated, what resources do they have? How easy is it for them to access any kind of support?
Even just teaching people about brain function. And it made me smile when you were talking about production companies, and the whole model, for me, is based on that instant gratification here and now. And it’s almost like somebody somewhere with a shitload of money, as you said, would need to take that decision to sort of say, “where are our morals and where our ethics? We’re promoting programs which ostensibly are about mental health or physical health, about how people can grow and develop. But why can we not sort of look at it in a real holistic approach to really help people to improve their lives?”
And it’s not merely about advertising or marketing or product placement.
Andrew: Yeah. Well, I mean, imagine if the people who spend, and myself included in this, people who spend one, two, three, four hours every evening watching Netflix, for example, imagine if they were spending one, two, three, four hours learning about how their brain works. Imagine if they spent that time gaining information and knowledge and tools that allowed them to free themselves from certain demons or certain repetitive negative patterns that they’re in. That would change the world, I imagine.
But instead, what they’re doing is, as I said, I include myself on this a lot of the time. It’s pure escapism. Rather than attempting to sort out the chaos in your mind, you’re drawn to complete and utter escapism in the form of other people’s misery.
I saw the trailer for Spencer. Is it called Spencer? The new Princess Diana movie with Kristen Stewart, and I’m going to go see it because I think it’ll be a beautiful piece of cinematography, and it will probably be really well directed, and I’m going to go see it. But I saw the trailer and it really hit me. I was like what people are going to take away from yet another movie or another documentary or another series of Princess Diana. It won’t be about her mental health, and it won’t be about the fact that she had an eating disorder. And it won’t be the fact that she had a very destructive marriage and she died still pursuing some form of happiness in her love life and private life. It will just be the glamour and decadence of the life she lived and people won’t take away the lessons.
And I think that’s actually a little sad because here’s this amazing icon of the last century and people are just regurgitating the drama of her life and who’s going to learn from it. And it’s just another example of, as I said, a shitload of money being pumped into something that will offer entertainment and escapism and your dopamine hit. But then people will walk out of the cinema and be no better off for it.
Dr Rachel: Yeah, I completely agree with everything that you saying there, and that’s what brings me on to the subject of autonomy because people choose, or they think they choose what they pay attention to, what decisions they make, what they are influenced by. And one of the main things I want to get across to people using the UnBroken platform is that we don’t always attend to what we think our choices are. And I think promoting that idea of self-autonomy is really important with all of that. So how important do you think self-autonomy is?
Andrew: Without sounding melodramatic, I think it’s the key to everything. And I’m sure we’ve spoken about this before, Rachel, but the “Man’s Search for Meaning” that amazing book written by Victor Frankl, obviously, who experienced the atrocities of the Holocaust. But speaking of autonomy, it always makes me think of him, and that book. An amazing book that he wrote, which is the thing that makes humans different is our ability and capacity to choose. I wish I exercised it more than I do, and that’s something I am working on. But that ability to wake up in the morning and to choose how to direct yourself.
Now you can’t choose the weather, and you can’t choose your boss, and you can’t choose how much your Internet bill is going to be. But you have the choice to respond in a healthy way to all those variables, and as challenging as your life might be right now, you still have the ability to direct it in a more healthy, sustainable, positive way, no matter what your situation is. And that is the greatest gift I think any of us have, is the ability to choose.
Dr Rachel: I concur with that. This is something I try to get across to people. When I spoke to people about what I want to do, what I want to achieve, and “you don’t want to tell people how to be”. I’m like, no, I don’t want to tell people how to be. Not at all. I love diversity. I love different, and people should celebrate who they are no matter what that might be. But what I want people to do is to take responsibility for who they are, how they are presenting in that moment is because they have chosen to be like that. So there’s no fall back then, there’s no excuse making. There’s no reason why they are the way they are. They just are, because that’s who they’ve chosen to be, no matter what it is.
Because I think that is the greatest gift that a person has that ability to be who they want to be at any moment in time, and having the confidence, the value base, the belief system in there that makes them really comfortable with that presentation of themselves.
I consider a human’s greatest asset the flexibility and the ability to transform and to change and to be who they want to be. That, for me, is the essence of human beings, is that it’s really interesting in terms of research, is that you can generally predict human behaviour until you can’t. Because human beings are the most abnormal of anomalies. You think that things are going to go in a general direction until something shifts and suddenly it’s not. So prediction and modelling only goes so far.
So I think for me, the human’s ability to surprise, to confound, to decide who they are, to actually be strong in their sense of self, is their greatest asset.
What do you consider a human’s greatest asset?
Andrew: The capacity to forgive. I mean, the capacity to forgive ourselves as well as other people.
When my journey changed in 2018 and I had this curveball health issue, I beat myself up about it. I looked for all the things that I had done wrong. I looked for all the ways that I had failed, and I was embarrassed and riddled with guilt and really fucking angry with myself, that I am an educated, “privileged”, male had got himself into this situation, because I shouldn’t have. And it took a long time for me to A) make peace, but B) to forgive myself because I didn’t necessarily have the awareness to know that the stress levels that I was under and certain lifestyle choices I had made were going to culminate in illness. I didn’t have that awareness. So how on Earth could I beat myself up over something I didn’t know was happening?
So forgiveness. And forgiving those around you, and being part of my process of forgiveness involves letting go. So it’s not just the shallow act of saying I forgive you. It’s the more meaningful act of “and I’m letting this go, and I’m moving on”. That’s an incredibly powerful tool in taking responsibility and moving on.
Dr Rachel: Yeah, completely agree. And it’s like the active part of it, because people sort of argue that forgiveness in itself can be too passive and it doesn’t acknowledge the pain or doesn’t acknowledge the process. But I think just because it is about that letting go, this no longer serves me. So I’m just going to release it. I’m going to release it because it’s no longer useful to me. At one point, it would have been useful but now it’s not.
And that leads me on quite nicely about kindness. What kindness means to you?
I have a very definitive version of kindness. It was interesting. We were talking about the “it’s okay to not be okay”. These little campaigns, one of my things that enrages me totally is “be kind”, because for me, the “be kind” campaign is overuse and misuse and is the very opposite of kindness. So what does kindness mean to you?
Andrew: Well, kindness, as you say, stems nicely from forgiveness and the active part of forgiveness. So kindness for me is an active thing. It’s not necessarily a sweet smile or a pat on the back. It’s proactive. It’s useful, it’s impactful. It can even be fun and exciting. So kindness for me is getting off my arse and doing something that will have a significantly positive impact on someone’s life.
Dr Rachel: Including your own.
Andrew: Of course, including my own. Yes.
Dr Rachel: I think kindness starts with the cells and one of my main bug bears is we’re not really being kind unless we start with personal kindness.
Moving from kindness into something completely different. Ruthlessness. Is it good, bad or ugly?
Andrew: Oh, it’s very good. I mean, you’re probably the person to have made me realise that it’s very good. But I think ruthlessness, the very word can kind of get your skin crawling a little because it’s quite a loaded word. But ruthlessness can be such a powerful tool in taking strides forward in creating a life that you want, but not even a life that you want, which sounds quite selfish and self-absorbed, but a life that’s going to butterfly effect, and that’s going to spill out into other people’s lives and other areas of the world in a positive way.
I mean, you need to protect your vision and you need to put your blinkers on and you need to take care of yourself, mind, body and soul. And that involves ruthlessness, because ruthlessness, from anything from saying no to going to the pub because you need to meditate, which is probably a naff example. But you know what I mean? Saying no to going to the pub, being ruthless about that and also being ruthless about turning down a job opportunity that you know will not push you in the right direction for what your ultimate goal is. So, ruthlessness is a very empowering way to live.
Dr Rachel: Yeah, I completely agree. And just like you say, the negative connotations that we have. And again, it’s all around the conditioning, isn’t it? It’s just like I love words and words mean a lot. I choose words very carefully in what I write, what I say. And I have a list of words that are my favourite words. I have a list of words that I would never use. I have a list of words that when my children hear me say it know that I mean business. So, what is your favourite word and why?
Andrew: Oh, God, I think it’s changed you know, I’m not even going to set it up. I’m just going to say what it is. Peace. That’s my favourite word. Yeah.
Dr Rachel: Why is peace your favourite word?
Andrew: I can be in almost any situation in my daily routine, and if I feel spikes of anxiety or spikes of stress or I’m dealing with a bit of a Gobshite, and they’re just annoying me, I can literally just say the word to myself, peace, and it grounds me, and it slows me down, and it just makes me feel calm and very intensely present.
So that’s the reason why I actively use that word and love that word. But in a more general sense, that’s the stage of being I strive to live through. I’m not obsessed with massive success or huge amounts of money or notoriety or anything like that. I’m slightly obsessed with finding as much peace in my daily life as I possibly can, because I think from peace, you make all kinds of incredible discoveries about yourself, but also, you take really healthy, brilliant action. Because if you’re operating from a place of peace, you’re not operating from a place of stress or anxiety or fear. You’re actually just very, very present to the moment in hand. And I think that’s when you make really brilliant, intelligent, happy, light movement forward in your life.
Dr Rachel: As you were talking, I was like thinking of listening to the thing you were saying about peace and actually having this image of peace being a catalyst. And then you start describing what could happen because of just thinking peace in your mind. And I just want to throw this curveball into our discussion. How do you think that content and media would be different if peace was a catalyst rather than instinct gratification?
Andrew: You’re talking about a different world, Rachel Taylor. If we were to make content from a foundation of peace, and that includes social media and obviously YouTube and TV and film, we would change the world. There’s absolutely no question about it.
I think the way content is made at the minute, and we’ve touched about it earlier, is it’s just slap in the face and really aggressively made content that wraps all your attention around it for three minutes to 3 hours, whatever. And then it spits you out the other end and you’re no better off. You are no better off for watching that movie or watching that series or watching that piece of content on YouTube.
But if you were operating from a place of peace and people were watching programs that were made holistically, and I mean ground up holistically – the production team were green, so everything was sustainably sourced and sustainably made, from the TV set to the cars that they drove. And if it was that the people who worked on the series, if they were paid as well as the actors, if the script writing not just incredibly insular process between a handful of white men, but the scripting net cast wider and you were able to include all these amazing different mindsets and people in the process. Think of what that would look like on screen. It would be deeply intelligent. It would be deeply, deeply emotional. And it would be deeply, deeply powerful because actually, you’re tapping into the real deal.
You’re not tapping into drama. You’re not tapping into sex and drugs and guns and car races or whatever. You’re tapping into the deepest part of ourselves, which is life. And we’re all just trying to live a good, healthy, happy life. And I’m not saying the content won’t be sexy or exciting. It would just be so much more meaningful. It would be amazing.
Dr Rachel: Yeah, I agree. And I got it in other interviews I’ve done with other people with sort of copyrighted and IP’d certain suggestions we came up with. So I’m going to do it on our behalf right now,. This will be in the public domain and the Peaceful Production Company.
Andrew: I like, that great.
Dr Rachel: This is you and I now are the Founders of the Peaceful Production Company.
Andrew: Established 2021.
Dr Rachel: Yes, without a doubt. And this is something that when I’m speaking to people a lot I talk about how content is, sort of, directed at quite an immature part of the brain that literally, “is this going to kill me? Am I going to survive this?” And we’re very much around that survival stuff and nothing is filtering through to the parts of our brain that make us human, our prefrontal cortex.
So I think that the Peaceful Production Company should target the prefrontal cortex to actually instigate a change in both hearts and minds.
Dr Rachel: See, everything comes down to these podcasts. It really does. But I’m aware that I’m taking up so much of your time. I just got a couple more things I want to ask for you.
Andrew: Sounds great, we’ve just developed a new career path.
So you have spoken really eloquently and honestly about how things have to change massively for you. So can you describe your philosophy for life now?
Andrew: Oh, goodness me. My philosophy for life is based on kindness to myself. Forgiveness and joy. Kindness, forgiveness and joy.
I try every day to wake up and thank God, or, you know, the Universe, that I’m still here and that I’ve got the opportunity to learn and to grow and to change. It’s just the most incredible gift. And I would like to think that I then get up and go out into the world and share a bit of kindness. And I know that sounds a bit naff, but like just connecting with others and doing something that might help them or might boost them or might change their day. A little bit of kindness that makes me feel good.
And then in terms of forgiveness, I think forgiveness is really useful. Again, I spoke about it earlier. You’re going to take the wrong turn and you’re going to pick up another pint when you should just take yourself home in an Uber. But forgive yourself. It’s okay. Just start again the next day so.
Yeah. Joy, kindness and forgiveness every day.
Dr Rachel: And I’m going to say that there are other taxi firms available.
Andrew: Oh, fine. Okay. Bolt.
Dr Rachel: I’m only joking. Uber should pay us for that.
Andrew: You just want me to bloody walk home?
Dr Rachel: Yeah. And reflect on what you’ve just done. Exactly.
And it’s not naff. You are like, literally describing the values of the Peaceful Production Company then saying it’s naff, I’m not having it.
Do the very last thing that I would like you to share with the Unbroken Podcast listeners is in one word. What would you like the next five years to be like for you?
Andrew: I was going to do a swear word followed by another word. I would like it to be abundant.
Dr Rachel: And for those of you who are curious about what his two words for the next five years to be, what were they?
Andrew: Fucking abundant?
Dr Rachel: That’s just perfect. Thank you so much for everything that you’ve shared today. This has been a complete joy. And I think that people will have been able to relate to a lot of it. And I’m pretty sure that most of our audience will be very excited to see what comes out of the peaceful production company.
Andrew: Absolutely. Watch this space.
Dr Rachel: Watch this space. Thank you so much. Thanks.
So your 60 second replay from today’s UnBroken Podcast and just wow. What I really want to remind people of is, where is your attention? What are you filling your mind with? What are you trying to escape from? Where is your attention going? What would have to happen for you to be able to use peace as your catalyst for movements? When you have a peaceful production of your life, what could then be possible?
So remember, what are you attending to? Where’s your attention going? What are you filling your mind with? How is that connecting with your body? All of these things so important? And what would your life be like if it was ruled by peace? If peace was your motivation? If peace was your catalyst, if peace was the underlying proposal. So just imagine that. Just think about that. What would be possible.
So, as always, give us a five-star recommendation for the UnBroken Podcast subscribe and also call to action. Tell two friends, tell two friends about UnBroken and see how their lives could benefit from it. Looking forward to speaking to you all again. And remember, peaceful production is the way forward. Thank you.